Encontrar Tu Voz Entre Las Sorpresas de la Vida - Pam Covarrubias : 176

¿Qué pasa cuando tus planes no funcionan, tu voz no es escuchada y aun así decides empezar de nuevo?
En este episodio hablamos con Pam Covarrubias. Ella es coach, conferencista y conductora del podcast  Café con Pam, sobre lo que realmente significa reinventarse: el caos del camino, aprender a poner límites y esos momentos silenciosos donde la valentía es simplemente no regresar atrás.

Desde un desvío en la adolescencia que la llevó a cruzar fronteras, hasta un momento en la universidad donde el perfil racial fue señalado y corregido, Pam aprendió algo clave: la voz no se regala, se construye.

Esa voz, ganada a pulso, la guió fuera de una relación tóxica y hacia decisiones que por fuera parecían arriesgadas, pero por dentro se sentían correctas. Renunció a un trabajo estable sin un plan, tomó turnos en un café para ganar espacio y tiempo, y transformó los lattes en conversaciones. De ahí nació Café con Pam,  con un micrófono de segunda mano y la promesa de publicar, hoy suma más de 400 episodios de conversaciones inspiradoras y auténticas con personas latinas que rompen barreras.

Si alguna vez te has preguntado si es posible reconstruirte desde cero, encontrar a tu gente y crear un trabajo que refleje quién eres, esta conversación te da un mapa y una buena dosis de coraje. 

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Chapters

• 1:10 Early Moments Of Losing Voice
• 7:30 Detour To Mexico And Identity Shifts
• 12:20 College Hurdles And Racial Profiling
• 18:20 Risk, Caution, And Early Freelance
• 22:30 Toxic Relationship And Hard Reset
• 28:30 Rebuilding Self-Worth And Identity
• 34:00 Essentialism And Start-Over Moves
• 41:30 Quitting Corporate And Choosing Self

Transcript

DanielaSm: 0:00

Hola, soy Daniela. Hablemos de cómo la voz, la valentía y los hiros inesperados de la vida nos guían cuando nada parece suficiente. Esta es una conversación.

Pam Covarrubias: 0:20

Porque todos mis planes, la trayectoria que yo mi tío vive en un pueblito. Nunca he vivido en un pueblito. Entonces ahí fue donde yo empecé a aprender que yo podía perdón mi voz, pero podía reencontrarme. Este fue un momento también muy clave. No miedo al riesgo, but a veces me arriesgo tanto que igual me quedo así como que ahora qué?

DanielaSm: 0:49

My invitada is Pam Covarrubia, coach, conferencista and host del podcast Café con Pam, which me parece a super original. Bienvenida, Pam. Muchas gracias por estar aquí. Hola Daniela, how's this? I encourage that you're here because I think that she's a coach, a speaker, a podcaster, a dog mom, and apparently a recovery procrastinator. I connect around Tracy Hazard. And I encourage me to invite me and accept. I'm in San Diego. I mean this. I'm going to hear my story, but this is the reason I invited. Usually you want to say my story, but I'm the first one. My point was when you get my story.

Pam Covarrubias: 1:52

I think it empezed, but obviously we regret to the principal, but there were various instances. I wanted my idea that I performed my voice when I was pollo in kinder. You're the mamma pollo. In Mexico we have not in those parts, but there are festivals and things. And I think the reason for the object was, but the niche of Kinder Pollo and the pollitos. I mean I was the main character, and that was the first moment in which I perded my voice. And when I email my voice, to my preparatory that's high school for account. Entry, you had like 14 years, entered and se quedaron así como what? And then you could have in a officer. My compañeros empiezan a trabajar in fast food, in comedia rápida. And no, you can't. And then the person with the nigga or le falta un tornillo, no, in which a year? You in this instance i was in the grade 10. Ah, but this promoter is interno, but we have a program in which when you are in the grade 11, or the año that we're done with a beck, students are exceptional. It's a process very difficult, very arduous, not very complex. But there's something like that and says, So I just for this bank. Not the only thing I need to say is that passes the verano, and then when the 11th, you embed to work, and you have to have 15 years, and okay. It was an internship, it was like a verano I my mother to Mexico because my family was embarrassed at the 15 years. And when I turned the verano, I had my internship lined up, so I had to planned for the banco, I had all my classes, I was taking a class of photography, I was doing classes in theater, drama. And my mom said no regression. And it was one when I performed my voice, because all my plans and the trajectory that I decided in an instant, because my try is to protect me and those kids with the queen, else just 15 years. But I mean obviously I was a Mexico for me, no? And it was like another revolution. Because what I care is, no?

DanielaSm: 5:39

But when I was in kindergarten, they did the paper of the mamma gallina, but you don't have the mamma gallina. She could be. Okay, okay, very interesting. And when I did that this point was important, when I began to talk about the calladita culture.

Pam Covarrubias: 6:05

Wow. Okay.

DanielaSm: 6:06

Well, the Mexico is a little bit more fun, you know? In the sense of that, you had 15 years.

Pam Covarrubias: 6:16

Okay, because I was in Mexico with a mallet of vacations, and it's like nothing. Obviously, I was with my father, I had this appeal, but I had to redefin what you did. And in Mexico function, it was very hard. The school. In Mexico there are three universities public. The UNAM is the university autonomous of Mexico. You have to study architecture. For entry to the UNAM, one of the faculties of architecture, I had to take an exam because I was at school private. If you went to school public, you have automatic. But when you're in school private, I need to make the exam. I took three months, I felt two asserts each other. So the exam early six months, and so I performed one year. I was in States, and I said, Well, I'm American, I don't know what this, but I can't serve, no? And so I'm gonna go to the university of States. Because if I'm American, I have to go to the university in States. And then I was the decision, I'm with a maleta, I was in States, and I had an option to go to California, which is where I was my family, or a thousand in Missouri, who is in the middle of the place. And I said, I visited in Los Angeles, I was in the city of Mexico, it's a city, but my thousand lives in a pueblito. Nunca he vivido in a pueblito.

DanielaSm: 7:53

And I was always a little bit.

Pam Covarrubias: 8:17

I was at the university and you said no, but inscribir me because I'm US Ceres and the person who meant what are you talking about? Necesitamos, your transcript, necesitamos ver tu diploma or high school. It's a process, and you know, but you nacci, no? Igual, okay, you no sabía, but why not? Two trabajas one ago in this access to institution, que es el pago. Eso fue todo because I was a information of other place. No student international because I'm a student regular because I had a transcript that is of another place. The second part that I perd my voice was that I perd and I thought it was when I had an ensay in English for my class in English, and my maestro regressed all marked with rojo, and I put a note that said, The word is because I'm ESL. So those errors are because I'm ESL. And this I think how do you know? For my apelli, I never said that you were English as a second language, no? And I was with a mentor, the department of education multicultural, and I Tay, who is the director of this department, is a negro that me encouraged because he enseigned what it was on my voice, no? Because I said, Hey, and I don't understand why I put this note. This note I said, Why does it? And what does it resalty? Oh no, no, no. Okay, this is racial profiling, and it was a note because the errors that you committed, else my answer, the errors that you commanded were errors that cute person would have committed. So it was like the white house, the house white, no? Ella le manda un correo because ella, like directora del centro of education multicultural, no? Leave envió un correo al maestro, al professor, and it's an opportunity to my student to have an ensay de novo, and no pure racial profiling. So your commentary is for the work and no one has a errors that he commanded. This was a moment that me ayudding a wow, this is the pantalones superpuest to confront a person with authority, like my maestro of English, of literature. And she said, No, okay, defend me. This moment was very important because I think that escuching my voice interior when my life said, when I received this ensay with this qualification, I said, This is nothing.

DanielaSm: 11:32

But I think you have a personality, because the bank and say you're here, I can't work, I don't know, but it's what I'm saying, I should have heard. So I think, because usually one to alguien I'm for now, I'm here, and you're not, so I've had a lot, but there's a guy, like in Venezuela, and we'll see what happens. Whatever that you have, that you have an apprentice gig for me, because no, of those many.

Pam Covarrubias: 12:09

I'm those people who say I used the way. Because I think that all things I think I can take risk. I'm the place with a maleta, empezation de novo no, I got one in my coach. Okay, what would you do?

DanielaSm: 12:37

But a vehicle I had to ries, but a vehicle I arrives that I was like, or before the university, I was like more precaution.

Pam Covarrubias: 12:59

Because I did, well, you can use my voice, but then what is the consequence, no? Okay. But I didn't think that because more you created and more situations I presented and more situations you have a ries, there had consequences. And I was when I empected a little bit more precaution, but a lot of the university, during the university, you know. I designed mercadotech like adjacent because the person who had a study of mercate and the university freelance. So I don't know, no, but I said, No, you just be my client. And so I had a side hustle since official. And in my life before the university, I moved to San Diego, otherwise with a mallet of the center of the place, literally. This is all an idea. I had this relation in which it converted in a relation toxic. He moved to my department, and all my department was part of the army. And so I did order to move to Hawaii. And part of this is that the Army and Hawaii, you know? And so it's my car. And then all my department literally to Hawaii, and I got my mallet, otherwise, and then I said, I was at San Diego, because my wife is in San Diego.

DanielaSm: 15:02

I don't know if you were to go to say it's me, it's not. No, because in this moment, when I empowered the casa, I was with it.

Pam Covarrubias: 15:11

I today fui to Hawaii, installed, and I was when I terminated. In this end, yeah, I'm with my family. Environment my life of the university, and I empected a crew. Empecé desde diseñador gráfico, mercadotecnia, directora ofers, fui my ultimate, yeah, no me acuerdo, but it was a role executive that was directly.

DanielaSm: 16:03

Pam, I want to say one about the toxic that I was. And I was with you in the point of that I was arrived because I had many opportunities, but not those, but I was a little worse, and I had a person who was toxic, and I wonder in this case, being like, but I don't know if they say that you're a good person that we were in that episode, and I was. But there's another opinion about other people who have been or something, if there's a parameter. You always say, but why would I have in my life I showed the three ideas of the culture caded?

Pam Covarrubias: 16:51

One of these is the idea of the value. And so, just reflection in the toxic, what he said was that he didn't have worth, and you regal my worth. Subconsciently said, 'I do what you say sufficient, you regalo, you can see that.' And this converted in a project, subconsciently, I said, 'Well, this enamor of the potential.' Because I told the potential that if it pusied the gun, if it pusied the pillars, it was incredible, you know? I mean, this potential that I was. When I was in Hawaii to the casa, conversation. And Lucy. I am Mexican, Lucy is Mexican, and in Hawaii, enjoy alguien who is in your place and says, Oh my gosh! Instant click, you know? Inclusive, if you're Latina, okay, click because I have nothing like you, no? But we're talking, but literally I saw three or three times, okay. Llegation the year, I mean I was a regrese for my thoughts. So the idea was I regreso for my thoughts, and I regreso to Hawaii. And then the day we had the toxic, but the toxic, and we have to recognise. And I said, Okay, we're going to recognise, and said, I perd to put my kids to dormation. And I said, And then I came like the history. Regressed to the house to arrange, and those two and you come in the cocina. And the despedida, no? Then you regress, it will be a niche, very rich. The beauty that you can, it looks like. If you do, and if you have it. My spirit is in a guy, deployed. And says, You convert in it. You just dedicate my head, I dedicate to the corner, to do what I have to do. When he is, because he didn't see it. And you know what you today. And you And they went back and the conversation, I did what I did, and the other day and the other toxic no era, but a novel. It was deployed, no.

DanielaSm: 20:16

Ah, it was a lot of things.

Pam Covarrubias: 20:18

When we were a beautiful house, my mama was qued with his hijas. Yeah. Wild. And empeced all this worth that I did, this amount for the potential that you enamored, I regreso. And so that was when I empected that. And so when I regreso, I had to completely say what I'm, I'm, what I am. Because in my life I was like, I'm sorry, I was with it. I've got to reinvent my story. Okay. And so it's one. Worth is one. Silence is another silencer. Or a lot of you know much. That's what I think. Because that is compensated or the silence, for example, or no habits, or the people don't escuch. You adapt, or compensated, is that controller. Two poner la regla. Exactly. Sure control. Identity, the idea of the identity is much success with the immigrant, with the second generation, who is de aquí, who is de all right, who is of those lots, and at the same time. That's where enter the idea of the identity, because I don't know what I'm saying, and sobrecompensate is the uniform, and I don't know. It's like in your and no adaptability. The commitment is a compromiso. Discompensate is when I do much for the idea of the worthy commitment, it's a much. Commitment is when they go to the others. So it's this person who is like, I do all for the old. Overcompensated, the idea of the compromising is when you have that and not do you, and I don't need to do anything, it's super independent, but I cier much, and silencious, identity, compromising, and the worth, which is the auto-valoration, discompensated, is when I and you value, and I have an ego, very great, it's not that it's always puffed, because the person responds and said no, but this moment when I decided to regress one with a maleta is when you control my eyes. I don't think this story of this and I was completely, it's like various capitals.

DanielaSm: 23:40

No, you know that it's more real, you know what I'm saying? In a certain way, because there are many that are the things toxic or the things negative that we were, for example, I appreciated that it was because I don't know if I had any conversation about a parent, I wanted to be. But for me, it's important the liberty and the confiance that you could feel in it, that he could feel in me, that there was liberty, that you stay, you go, and we are jumping and separate, and it's not because we feel in one or the other. When I said, 'Share of the romanticism,' but the other things have much more value. I don't know what I've appreciated if I had passed for this situation that's agreeable, but it's an apprentice at the time. Totally. And at the final after what you don't care. Exactly. And I was thinking about what I do. I was working for Big Brothers with a brother. I said, I think it's a good career, I'm going to study a license for them. It was bad. I met in the university, and the first year I connect many people, because it was a part of the studies, and I think that's what I was saying. I study, and this is not what you want, okay.

Pam Covarrubias: 25:38

Wow. Well, but I didn't know.

DanielaSm: 25:57

A process of elimination. Then I started a little that searched The Essentialism. Bueno. When it's see, it's see, because the passion of one is see, see, see, see, and when it's no, it's no, and when I'm sure, yeah, it's automatically no. It's funny because the maybe talks that they say, I don't know, and then one said that's and it's the idea of the compromising that says when it's no. Well, and I started to Los Angeles and a maleta. Regresa in San Diego, otherwise with a maleta.

Pam Covarrubias: 26:39

At the six months, my mother said, 'No move.' And then I was so in San Diego, literally. I don't connect to anything, and I was reinventing. So, rent a quarter of the house of a senior mexican that rent three cameras, rental two for students, and the third. I was student, but igual. So the listing was like this is specifically for students, and you made a mensage and I don't know, but I didn't know if I caíste bien. And then me rental, but it was strictly because it was no puedes traer invitations, until you sola, no? Era así como un moment, yeah, I moved to various parties after a department. You mean that my carried now mean. And this abundance no era ni siquiera you don't receive, no? O sea, a bono or that. But it was like in this freelancing, an amigo, the content of this company. A day I did a paper and I said, I think you have freelancing and I platicated, you have to legalizate it. This is the form that you have to do for your legalizing, aunque sea side job, because they have to have a client in a cafeteria, it's part of your life. And you're what? One angel, you know? I went to tent. I was creating my portfolio. And one day, for the destiny, I said, I saw a reunion with the CEO and I do my two semanas, thank you for that. I turned my mission. And he said, What does it do? And I said, I don't know, but I think it's a moment to do in me. Because something that he enjoyed, for example, was that he sent your house for this. And he said, If in reality for me, you have to do it, because I visited my house and literally moved. He had to move on the department, and with the dinner of the house, you have too much in me that all the obstacles that present, because it's present, is that they present, they don't went. What is the thing? Oh, what do you think? And I said, I don't know what I'm going to do, but I got my passing the two semanas, and I literally no plan, no ah, nothing. I was like, I said, I'm not. I think two semas, despite my computer, and I say, I guess I'm at work. No. The first thing I did was say an age of introspection and say, What's I need to do? Well, I don't have ah, I think I would say I've got six months for no. I was super good, but I was not. I was like, Well, and I was another reinvention was otherwise my voice, to be in me, to say I was in reality travel in all that you have to do internally, a negotiation.

DanielaSm: 30:40

One of the that means, I don't know if all the Latin people are, or it's a generality that we should, you back and my friend who's a bit vulgar, I don't know how you escuch this phrase, because my mama certainly in English, but in English Ah, the early bird eats the worm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No quiero, no me interesa. What's the point? But yeah, you say this. But what was it?

Pam Covarrubias: 31:27

Antes to renunciation, I put a microphone in my vision board. I don't know, but it was like a disaster don't put my microphone, I don't see what I put three semanas before I was with my Henry, he is venezolano, and he is a music producer, and it does music. I'm not because I was a San Diego. At the time of us, I said, Well, what do you think? He went to the coach. And I said, I don't know what it, but I would put my microphone and what I think is that you have pregnants for escuching the stories that you need to escuchate, because my 2015. In these years, I escuched podcasts, there were podcasts Latinos, there were podcasts in Spanish, there were like three podcasts Latinos in Students, and those are co-hosted. And the podcast that me gustable were podcasts of conversation. Henry me said, Okay, and what? I would sit down and grab with alguien, but not editing. And he said and me said, Well, if you don't know what you do. Yo, my editors. And if in reality, I'm saying that you will edit your program because I create a podcast. And I said, And yeah, accountability, Henry said, Come on, and I did, What? And I said, Well, I'm gonna see a conversation with cafe. Okay, because we have much idea, we're gonna have a cafe, no?

DanielaSm: 33:10

It's like much of a cafecito and platication, catch up, and I said, Oh, yeah, and you suena cafe conversation.

Pam Covarrubias: 33:25

And the podcast for Henry meaning else, the padrino. And you got a microphone of a retired rapper. So, literally, I got the microphone in Craigslist, I recognize me, this is my microphone that means can't be, you still jubilate. It was the big microphone for podcasting. It was a microphone for music. This microphone isolates the voice, and the escuchation. No, but when I got my house, but I had the podcast. And then I had this compromise that you pay for me. And Henry me said, I don't know gratitude. But what I'm gonna say is that if I get one month, okay, if your way to edit, you enseñ. So you pay for enseñar. But you need to get this project because if you're not quitters, no? And you're okay. You for an a year, no mean, you edited my property and it's difficult because it was video. In this moment, it was audio, no means audio. A part of my ADHD, okay, it's like too much.

DanielaSm: 34:52

You may have ADHD, but you don't know what to edit me. I mean I send you. But this is the only thing that means, but I extract that me gonna be. That's awesome.

Pam Covarrubias: 35:14

But I'm gonna have the podcast. Ah, what I did to my listeners, I'm done. And there are 400 episodes. Aquí seguimos. Igual hice una lista de wishlist of the invitations that succeed, wow, no? And yeah, me faltan dos. Ah, qué bien. Eran 100, si no me equivoco, because my objective era si llevo los 100 episodios, me doy por bien servir. And ya llevamos 400, entonces creo que ya estamos ahí. Volviendo a trabajar, yo le hablé a una amiga, volviendo a que la respuesta siempre es no, hasta que la haces la pregunta. Yo dije, ¿cómo puedo generar dinero de una manera fácil, rápida, anda me lleve mi trabajo a mi casa? Because in my carried como ejecutiva de una compañía, era yo trabajaba en la tabla, o sea, todas las horas, no? So you dije, no, you can't have to do it and hablo a una amiga que en paz descansó y ella murió. Ella era manager de una cafetería, dame trabajo, no? And it era un híbrido, era cafetería and it was a restaurant. I have a podcast, I have a cafe, but you never service. It's like craft beer, because in San Diego there are much artesanal, no? Okay. And then I put a host. I said, I do, but those emphatic. And I sent people. So you're never too good, no?

DanielaSm: 37:17

And that no eres the director of the CEO, or the hostess. Totally.

Pam Covarrubias: 37:27

My amigo, in which you have a latte, and you're all right. Pam, what are you doing? Let's let me let me take you to your seat. Helping my friend who's desperate.

DanielaSm: 37:45

Right, right.

Pam Covarrubias: 37:50

Sado domingo, we host. Because of my turn, I was at the barists. You told me that ellos, but I was to see how they serve. And you enseñed me, for sure. No, I'm too busy. Okay. Every day, Sabo, doming, the ultimate leader, Tast me. And I put a latte. And I said, Okay, the lunch ya called barista.

DanielaSm: 38:20

Wow. And certainly converter. Ni siquiera pudiste tocar la máquina.

Pam Covarrubias: 38:25

But it was like super robar because I was like, no. And then we're going to go back to the world. So I got the six of the maiden for the cafeteria at the six of the mail. Because I asked that you were a midday. And so from mid day, I had all the day to arrange my negotiation. What I did was that that you auto programma that this was a networking event. And so the client who served a cafe was my client potential. What do you think? Yeah. So this was me permitting not sort of like regresse, no? It's dignity of respect, no? But this was what I mean to say, okay, I couldn't have my client idea.

DanielaSm: 39:29

It's not the work, but what the people molest. I mean I was that you've had many times the life. So I enseeled much for not the one. Nunca I said that I'm not sure, but the titles, like in Latin America one are important. And I think when I present, I say my title, but I think that I'm in this department. Que me parece un trabajo buenísimo. Me da miedo hacer un café and me encantaría saberlo.

Pam Covarrubias: 40:05

Sí, o sea, le encuentras el amor al café y le encuentras el amor al arte, ¿no? Porque sí es muy interesante. And the rest of the history, seguimos with the podcast. Fui a una school of life coaching, clinical EFT, practitioner, certification of tapping avancing.

DanielaSm: 40:40

But ETF, it's a little holistic, no? EFTA. Ah, no, holistic. Muchísimo.

Pam Covarrubias: 40:51

Más sí que no. And I said, but you did a month for this project. You empezaste a year. If you have the time, the esfuerzo, the dedication that you have, you're safe that you saw in 24 hours. If you done the space for it, it was a project, but no teaches. And for you to ayut a creature. And this was always me marked because I didn't have mediocre rotten, when I fui a psychological ADHD. And I puse a business of cómo me arreglo this of ADHD or TDA in tapping in a little time. I heard tapping after a little time, but when I decided to work for my received electronic of an entrenchment that passed three years ago.

DanielaSm: 42:11

But I imagine that the ADHD, the letters have borrowed attention with the deficit, with attention, nothing.

Pam Covarrubias: 42:22

No, you think that ADHD is a superpower. What I'm known for, for what I connect, one is for Cafe Company, and those is for serious coach of Hedgehog in Latinas and I have a methodology that's Unmute and Reclaim Yourself. And so dent of this methodology is where I do the tapping, where enter the somatic. Café con Pam, cumple nueve años. Wow. Mira, llegamos para quedarnos, gracias. Felicitaciones. Entonces, ahorita estamos in a processar. Because I created, okay, for example, like coach, my offerings just are much more defined. My client just created with me. And I'm like entrepreneurs and years, and I've heard people who have 15, 20 years of negotiations, and sort of dictators entre nine and die is your reinvention for what you see.

DanielaSm: 43:57

One concept of Pam aqui and consequences. Me divertí mucho. The history of Pam nos recuerda that nuestra voz not encuentra siguiendo un plan perfecto, sino enfrentando los giros inesperados of the time, con coraje and authenticity. No necesitamos todo resuelto para empezar de nuevo. Solo necesitamos disciplina, compasión con nosotros mismos y la valentía de no volver atrás. Acompáñenme la próxima vez para otra conversa que nos conecte a través de nuestras historias. Gracias por escuchar. Hasta pronto.